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	<title>Comments on: Net Neutrality is the FCC beginning to censor the internet. You just don&#8217;t know it.</title>
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	<description>Because other mammoths believe in conformity.</description>
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		<title>By: Josh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 20:56:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well.. most of the RM staff would probably be about the last to post a conservative response to anything... That said, I don&#039;t think any of us here want censorship one way or another, so I&#039;ll give you props for pointing it out, Tom.  Neither side, conservative or liberal, should be censored.  

What good are our voices and ears if they can only speak and hear our own opinions?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well.. most of the RM staff would probably be about the last to post a conservative response to anything&#8230; That said, I don&#8217;t think any of us here want censorship one way or another, so I&#8217;ll give you props for pointing it out, Tom.  Neither side, conservative or liberal, should be censored.  </p>
<p>What good are our voices and ears if they can only speak and hear our own opinions?</p>
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		<title>By: Tom McCabe</title>
		<link>http://www.roguemammoth.com/?p=284&#038;cpage=1#comment-123</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom McCabe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 02:22:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Comcast Censoring Conservative Voices?

The American Public and the FCC need to keep an eye on ISPs. Comcast has been censoring conservative message board posters in my opinion. Because dominant ISP Comcast is a gateway to the internet, they control many eyeballs. Comcast&#039;s systematic censoring of conservative opinions on their News &amp; Current Events message boards needs to cease and desist. If Comcast gets tax breaks from local government, then they have a civic, ethical, moral and perhaps legal obligation to provide fair and balanced moderation of their message boards. This type of social engineering is an outrage. Please get involved. Silence is consent. Post a conservative response to a News or Current Events thread here and see for yourself.

http://community.comcast.net/comcastportal/board?board.id=news

This is America...Not CHINA</description>
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<p>The American Public and the FCC need to keep an eye on ISPs. Comcast has been censoring conservative message board posters in my opinion. Because dominant ISP Comcast is a gateway to the internet, they control many eyeballs. Comcast&#8217;s systematic censoring of conservative opinions on their News &#038; Current Events message boards needs to cease and desist. If Comcast gets tax breaks from local government, then they have a civic, ethical, moral and perhaps legal obligation to provide fair and balanced moderation of their message boards. This type of social engineering is an outrage. Please get involved. Silence is consent. Post a conservative response to a News or Current Events thread here and see for yourself.</p>
<p><a href="http://community.comcast.net/comcastportal/board?board.id=news" rel="nofollow">http://community.comcast.net/comcastportal/board?board.id=news</a></p>
<p>This is America&#8230;Not CHINA</p>
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		<title>By: Josh</title>
		<link>http://www.roguemammoth.com/?p=284&#038;cpage=1#comment-35</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Sep 2009 05:58:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=834842&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Here&#039;s a forum with good arguments on both sides of the debate.&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=834842" rel="nofollow">Here&#8217;s a forum with good arguments on both sides of the debate.</a></p>
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		<title>By: Josh</title>
		<link>http://www.roguemammoth.com/?p=284&#038;cpage=1#comment-34</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Sep 2009 05:44:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.fcc.gov/broadband_network_management/022508/reed.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;A good read on acceptable practices of internet service providers, including a bit on packet prioritizing and how it is not acceptable behavior/policy.&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.fcc.gov/broadband_network_management/022508/reed.pdf" rel="nofollow">A good read on acceptable practices of internet service providers, including a bit on packet prioritizing and how it is not acceptable behavior/policy.</a></p>
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		<title>By: Redrum</title>
		<link>http://www.roguemammoth.com/?p=284&#038;cpage=1#comment-33</link>
		<dc:creator>Redrum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Sep 2009 01:48:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Zero = idiot.</description>
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		<title>By: Josh</title>
		<link>http://www.roguemammoth.com/?p=284&#038;cpage=1#comment-32</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Sep 2009 01:34:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm, no.  (Who the hell are you, anyway?)  

Maybe you could at least validate your opinion with some sort of argument?  At least my opinion on the situation comes from the point of view of someone who works as an IT professional.  I&#039;m an outsourced IT director... where do you work, Zero, and why should anyone care what you think on the subject when you can&#039;t even form a response that utilizes one grammatically correct sentence?

Tell you what, you can either side with net neutrality, or against it like Kay Bailey Hutchinson &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.wired.com/epicenter/tag/kay-bailey-hutchinson/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;, the choice is yours.  I don&#039;t really trust Republicans when it comes to issues of censorship and helping out actual Americans in lieu of helping corporations, though... especially not republicans from Texas.  But sure, she probably has a firmer grasp on what would be a better way to handle the internet than the people drafting the net neutrality bill, right?  

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm, no.  (Who the hell are you, anyway?)  </p>
<p>Maybe you could at least validate your opinion with some sort of argument?  At least my opinion on the situation comes from the point of view of someone who works as an IT professional.  I&#8217;m an outsourced IT director&#8230; where do you work, Zero, and why should anyone care what you think on the subject when you can&#8217;t even form a response that utilizes one grammatically correct sentence?</p>
<p>Tell you what, you can either side with net neutrality, or against it like Kay Bailey Hutchinson <a href="http://www.wired.com/epicenter/tag/kay-bailey-hutchinson/" rel="nofollow">here</a>, the choice is yours.  I don&#8217;t really trust Republicans when it comes to issues of censorship and helping out actual Americans in lieu of helping corporations, though&#8230; especially not republicans from Texas.  But sure, she probably has a firmer grasp on what would be a better way to handle the internet than the people drafting the net neutrality bill, right?</p>
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		<title>By: Zero</title>
		<link>http://www.roguemammoth.com/?p=284&#038;cpage=1#comment-31</link>
		<dc:creator>Zero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Sep 2009 00:53:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Josh. stfu.</description>
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		<title>By: Josh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Sep 2009 00:37:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rob.  You seem to have some misunderstandings about how bandwidth is appropriated, IMO.  You absolutely DO NOT want a tiered internet system like Comcast and some of the other bigger ISPs have tried to promote.  You DO want every site getting equal bandwidth.  The amount of bandwidth your VOIP system will take is a very small overall amount of what is available today in most markets.  If you want your call to take precedence, set it up that way on your own computer/network/router etc.  Why would you want someone else deciding this for you with the end decision being out of your control?
Comcast offers their phone service, therefore it would in their best interest to slow down access to Skype or any other internet phone service if it was in fact in their power, don’t you think?

How about Hulu?  Do you think that cuts into their business a wee bit, being as they are  a cable company?  I’ve seen Hulu run much smoother on  1.5-3 mbps dsl connection than a 25mbps connection from Comcast at times… yet bandwidth tests reveal that the Comcast connection is still operating at full capacity.  Perhaps this has already happened?  We all know about how Comcast handled bit torrent in the past.

I have another problem with your point of view on the net neutrality issue.  If we do not pass SOME sort of bill on net neutrality and do, in fact, allow the providers to charge you (assumedly the current rate… why drop it if they know you want/need internet on some level?) for a lesser internet, or tiered system, etc, while giving businesses access to everything/more bandwidth, then we re-appropriate the current bandwidth to a system which allows the providers to get away with relying on the current implementation instead of having a reason to upgrade service.  You talk about your friend’s opinion that it isn’t in the interest of ISPs to offer slow and patchy connectivity, but why wouldn’t it be if they can get away with not upgrading the system longer than they already have?  If you were to suddenly lose half of the things you do on the internet, would you still be able to go cold turkey and cut off ALL internet in retaliation?  No email?  No google maps?  No Rogue Mammoth?  I like to think I know you pretty well, and I think you would still end up paying for internet.  What if they didn&#039;t even drop the price for the service you were getting?  It&#039;s still a no.    We are currently TWENTY EIGHTH in average broadband speed among industrialized nations.  By keeping the internet NEUTRAL, we force Comcast and other ISPs to offer MORE bandwidth through newer implementations, rather than allow them to keep charging for existing systems for the next decade or two… kind of like how we are letting them get away with not committing to a fully digital switchover in television, even though all over-the-air stations have been forced to.

Whatever, I’m a little drunk right now, but felt the need to post some sort of a response to this.  I’ll end with pointing out that the government of this country doesn’t give a fuck what you or anyone else thinks about pretty much anything.  That said, do you really think they have to try and censor the internet under the guise of Net Neutrality?  A previous article of yours stated that only somewhere around 38% (can’t remember the exact number) of Americans believed in evolution.  Don’t you think they could get these 60 odd percent of creationists to go onboard with a plan to censor the internet in some way or another, without having to sneak it by?  Remember, there’s always a way to divide the nation so that you are in the minority on ANY subject, it’s all about how you spin it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rob.  You seem to have some misunderstandings about how bandwidth is appropriated, IMO.  You absolutely DO NOT want a tiered internet system like Comcast and some of the other bigger ISPs have tried to promote.  You DO want every site getting equal bandwidth.  The amount of bandwidth your VOIP system will take is a very small overall amount of what is available today in most markets.  If you want your call to take precedence, set it up that way on your own computer/network/router etc.  Why would you want someone else deciding this for you with the end decision being out of your control?<br />
Comcast offers their phone service, therefore it would in their best interest to slow down access to Skype or any other internet phone service if it was in fact in their power, don’t you think?</p>
<p>How about Hulu?  Do you think that cuts into their business a wee bit, being as they are  a cable company?  I’ve seen Hulu run much smoother on  1.5-3 mbps dsl connection than a 25mbps connection from Comcast at times… yet bandwidth tests reveal that the Comcast connection is still operating at full capacity.  Perhaps this has already happened?  We all know about how Comcast handled bit torrent in the past.</p>
<p>I have another problem with your point of view on the net neutrality issue.  If we do not pass SOME sort of bill on net neutrality and do, in fact, allow the providers to charge you (assumedly the current rate… why drop it if they know you want/need internet on some level?) for a lesser internet, or tiered system, etc, while giving businesses access to everything/more bandwidth, then we re-appropriate the current bandwidth to a system which allows the providers to get away with relying on the current implementation instead of having a reason to upgrade service.  You talk about your friend’s opinion that it isn’t in the interest of ISPs to offer slow and patchy connectivity, but why wouldn’t it be if they can get away with not upgrading the system longer than they already have?  If you were to suddenly lose half of the things you do on the internet, would you still be able to go cold turkey and cut off ALL internet in retaliation?  No email?  No google maps?  No Rogue Mammoth?  I like to think I know you pretty well, and I think you would still end up paying for internet.  What if they didn&#8217;t even drop the price for the service you were getting?  It&#8217;s still a no.    We are currently TWENTY EIGHTH in average broadband speed among industrialized nations.  By keeping the internet NEUTRAL, we force Comcast and other ISPs to offer MORE bandwidth through newer implementations, rather than allow them to keep charging for existing systems for the next decade or two… kind of like how we are letting them get away with not committing to a fully digital switchover in television, even though all over-the-air stations have been forced to.</p>
<p>Whatever, I’m a little drunk right now, but felt the need to post some sort of a response to this.  I’ll end with pointing out that the government of this country doesn’t give a fuck what you or anyone else thinks about pretty much anything.  That said, do you really think they have to try and censor the internet under the guise of Net Neutrality?  A previous article of yours stated that only somewhere around 38% (can’t remember the exact number) of Americans believed in evolution.  Don’t you think they could get these 60 odd percent of creationists to go onboard with a plan to censor the internet in some way or another, without having to sneak it by?  Remember, there’s always a way to divide the nation so that you are in the minority on ANY subject, it’s all about how you spin it.</p>
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